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		RobertRattley
 
 
  Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 118 Location: Australia
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				 Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:06 pm    Post subject: Sep 13 VH | 
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				I don't want to spoil the fun with TOO early a post, but just hint:
 
 
I had to work through two Hard steps before finding an xyz wing, and still that wasn't enough!  An xy wing was then needed.
 
 
Perhaps somebody will find an easier path. | 
			 
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		Mindwarp
 
 
  Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Posts: 25 Location: St. Ives, England
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				 Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:08 am    Post subject: Sep 13 VH | 
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				| I didn't find it that hard, though I maybe applying techniques without knowing their names.  Identifying the number in R2C5 was the key to solving it for me. It took me 9 minutes and 8 seconds, which is around normal time for me on a VH using sweep. | 
			 
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		Marty R.
 
 
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				 Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:26 am    Post subject:  | 
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				| I needed two steps. But the XYZ-Wing was there after basics and that opened up the puzzle-ending XY-Wing. These are usually one-steppers for me. | 
			 
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		hughwill
 
 
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				 Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 9:28 am    Post subject: Post subject: Sep 13 VH | 
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+--------------+-------------+---------+
 
| 3  1247 247  | 15 145  9   | 27 6 8  |
 
| 8  5    46   | 2  46   7   | 9  3 1  |
 
| 67 1267 9    | 3  16   8   | 27 5 4  |
 
+--------------+-------------+---------+
 
| 67 9    5    | 17 3    16  | 4  8 2  |
 
| 2  3    1    | 89 89   4   | 5  7 6  |
 
| 4  67   8    | 57 2    56  | 3  1 9  |
 
+--------------+-------------+---------+
 
| 5  8    2367 | 4  17   123 | 16 9 37 |
 
| 1  267  2367 | 89 5789 235 | 68 4 37 |
 
| 9  47   347  | 6  178  13  | 18 2 5  |
 
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Play this puzzle online at the Daily Sudoku site
 
 
The XYZ wing pivoted on r9c5 sets r9c6 to 3- and so does the XY
 
wing pivoted on r7c5. I couldn't find a single step, but it was not too difficult. 
 
I didn't see the essential role of r2c5 mentioned by Mindwarp-
 
any further info? | 
			 
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