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		Clement
 
 
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				 Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:20 pm    Post subject: Sep 2 VH | 
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				Type 4 UR 78 setting r13c2<>8 reveals an 
 
XYZ-Wing 248 with apex in r1c3; r1c2<>4 solves it. | 
			 
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		Marty R.
 
 
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				 Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:51 am    Post subject:  | 
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				| I also didn't find a solution using just the standard VH moves. I played an XYZ wing (478), X-Wing (7), followed by a Type 1 UR on 78. | 
			 
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		roaa
 
 
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				 Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:16 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				| The xyz-wing 478 was all I needed. | 
			 
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		Marty R.
 
 
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				 Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:37 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				 	  | roaa wrote: | 	 		  | The xyz-wing 478 was all I needed. | 	  
 
I'm jealous!! I noticed the Wing but didn't carry it through.    | 
			 
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		Clement
 
 
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				 Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:32 pm    Post subject: Sep 2 VH | 
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				roaa,Marty,
 
I am still at a loss. The xyz-wing 478 with apex in r1c2 (if it is the one you are refering to) sets r1c3<>8 leading to the Type 1 UR 78. I do not see how other eliminations ca be made wihout using it. Can you show the Grid after the basic moves so that I can easily follow? | 
			 
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		Marty R.
 
 
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				 Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:49 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				Clement, this is my post-basics grid. I first played with pencil and paper, but I successfully completed the puzzle online just with the XYZ-Wing.
 
 
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+--------------+----------------+---------+
 
| 9   478 248  | 6    247  3    | 78 1 5  |
 
| 6   1   48   | 4578 457  458  | 9  2 3  |
 
| 357 578 238  | 9    1    28   | 78 6 4  |
 
+--------------+----------------+---------+
 
| 47  3   6    | 1    457  45   | 2  9 8  |
 
| 1   9   5    | 2    8    6    | 3  4 7  |
 
| 8   2   47   | 47   3    9    | 16 5 16 |
 
+--------------+----------------+---------+
 
| 2   458 1489 | 458  4569 7    | 45 3 16 |
 
| 345 458 1348 | 458  2456 2458 | 16 7 9  |
 
| 457 6   479  | 3    459  1    | 45 8 2  |
 
+--------------+----------------+---------+
 
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Play this puzzle online at the Daily Sudoku site | 
			 
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		Stanley P
 
 
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				 Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:36 pm    Post subject: sep 2 VH | 
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				| I'm getting to this a little late today, and used 2 x-wings, the last eliminating the 7 at R1C5, which set up the 248 xyz. | 
			 
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		keith
 
 
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				 Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 9:29 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				After basics: 	  | Code: | 	 		  +----------------+----------------+----------------+
 
| 9    478  248  | 6    24   3    | 78   1    5    | 
 
| 6    1    48   | 4578 457  458  | 9    2    3    | 
 
| 35   578  238  | 9    1    28   | 78   6    4    | 
 
+----------------+----------------+----------------+
 
| 47   3    6    | 1    457  45   | 2    9    8    | 
 
| 1    9    5    | 2    8    6    | 3    4    7    | 
 
| 8    2    47   | 47   3    9    | 16   5    16   | 
 
+----------------+----------------+----------------+
 
| 2    458  1489 | 458  4569 7    | 1456 3    16   | 
 
| 345  458  1348 | 458  2456 2458 | 1456 7    9    | 
 
| 457  6    479  | 3    459  1    | 45   8    2    | 
 
+----------------+----------------+----------------+ | 	  There are two XYZ-wings in R1B1:  47-8 and 2-48.
 
 
They do essentially the same thing.  Each is a one-stepper.
 
 
Keith | 
			 
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