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		hughwill
 
 
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				 Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:17 am    Post subject: Mon Feb 14th VH | 
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				I'm not so hot on these- was this a more complicated VH than usual? After the
 
obvious (and unnecessary?) 25 UR I got a colouring on a chain of 6's removing
 
6 from C1 and then a 246 XY wing pivoting on C8. Was there an easier way?
 
 
By the way- where is everyone? Very late for a first post.....
 
 
 
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| 69    1    3   | 8 4  69  | 26   7  5    |
 
| 469   456  569 | 2 7  169 | 1368 38 3468 |
 
| 246   7    8   | 5 3  16  | 16   46 9    |
 
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| 38    2358 245 | 6 25 7   | 9    1  238  |
 
| 1     26   7   | 9 8  3   | 5    46 246  |
 
| 368   9    25  | 1 25 4   | 368  38 7    |
 
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| 5     36   16  | 4 9  8   | 7    2  136  |
 
| 34689 3468 69  | 7 1  2   | 368  5  368  |
 
| 7     28   12  | 3 6  5   | 4    9  18   |
 
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		Stanley P
 
 
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				 Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 1:32 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				| I had slightly different basics and found an xyz wing on 126 in boxes 2 and 3.  That did it for me. | 
			 
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		Marty R.
 
 
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				 Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:41 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				| Like Stanley, I had a 2 in r3c7 and used the XYZ-Wing. However, in Hugh's grid the 16 pair in row 3 would knock out the other 6s in that row and finish it off. | 
			 
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		keith
 
 
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				 Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:57 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				After basics: 	  | Code: | 	 		  +-------------------+-------------------+-------------------+
 
| 269   1     3     | 8     4     69    | 26    7     5     | 
 
| 469   456   4569  | 2     7     169   | 1368  38    3468  | 
 
| 246   7     8     | 5     3     16    | 126   46    9     | 
 
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| 348   23458 245   | 6     25    7     | 9     1     2348  | 
 
| 1     246   7     | 9     8     3     | 5     46    246   | 
 
| 368   9     25    | 1     25    4     | 368   38    7     | 
 
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| 5     36    16    | 4     9     8     | 7     2     136   | 
 
| 34689 3468  469   | 7     1     2     | 368   5     368   | 
 
| 7     28    12    | 3     6     5     | 4     9     18    | 
 
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		cgordon
 
 
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				 Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:31 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				R3C78 cannot be a 1 and 6 or a 2 and 6.  Can only be a 1 and 4, 2 and 4, or 6 and 4.  Ergo R3C8 has to be a 4.
 
 
I think that’s an APE (aligned pair exclusion).   Better than looking for wings. | 
			 
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		Ema Nymton
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:17 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				.
 
 
I conceed defeat.  This is one subtle puzzle.
 
 
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+------------------+----------+--------------+
 
| 269   1     3    | 8 4  69  | 26   7  5    |
 
| 469   456   4569 |*2 7  169 | 1368 38 368  |
 
| 26    7     8    | 5 3  16  | 126  4  9    |
 
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| 348   23458 245  | 6 25 7   | 9    1  2348 |
 
| 1     24    7    | 9 8  3   | 5    6  24   |
 
| 368   9     256  | 1 25 4   | 38   38 7    |
 
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| 5     36    16   | 4 9  8   | 7   *2  136  |
 
| 34689 3468  469  | 7 1  2   | 368  5  368  |
 
| 7     28    12   | 3 6  5   | 4    9  18   |
 
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The key was '2' in r2c4 and r7c8.
 
Thank you for the challenge.
 
 
Ema Nymton
 
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		tlanglet
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:59 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				 	  | cgordon wrote: | 	 		  R3C78 cannot be a 1 and 6 or a 2 and 6.  Can only be a 1 and 4, 2 and 4, or 6 and 4.  Ergo R3C8 has to be a 4.
 
 
I think that’s an APE (aligned pair exclusion).   Better than looking for wings. | 	  
 
 
I agree with your analysis and that the pattern is an APE; it is also an xyz-wing as previously noted by Stanley and Marty. However I question your definition of "Better". In general, looking for an APE is more complex and cumbersome that looking for an xyz-wing, which is also frequently an APE pattern. 
 
 
I guess "Better" truly depends on what motivates us to play Sudoku.
 
 
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