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I am stuck on this Genius Puzzle

 
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arjun



Joined: 28 Sep 2009
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 11:01 am    Post subject: I am stuck on this Genius Puzzle Reply with quote

Please help me with this. Thank you!!

Code:

+------------------+----------------+---------------+
| 3459 14589 14589 | 178  13578 2   | 6    79   14  |
| 2    1459  6     | 17   1357  145 | 134  79   8   |
| 34   148   7     | 6    9     148 | 1234 23   5   |
+------------------+----------------+---------------+
| 49   2     1489  | 5    18    7   | 38   6    39  |
| 567  3     158   | 1289 1268  189 | 258  4    27  |
| 5679 56789 589   | 4    268   3   | 258  1    279 |
+------------------+----------------+---------------+
| 1    59    2359  | 289  4     6   | 7    2358 23  |
| 8    457   2345  | 127  1257  15  | 9    235  6   |
| 5679 5679  259   | 3    2578  589 | 14   258   14 |
+------------------+----------------+---------------+
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Mogulmeister



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll give you 2 to help you get rolling again...

Try an XY chain with pincers at r3c8 and r7c9 that eliminates lots of 2s !

Then look for a 5,8,9 XYZ Wing.

Good Luck.
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Marty R.



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 3:48 pm    Post subject: Re: I am stuck on this Genius Puzzle Reply with quote

arjun wrote:
Please help me with this. Thank you!!

Code:

+------------------+----------------+---------------+
| 3459 14589 14589 | 178  13578 2   | 6    79   14  |
| 2    1459  6     | 17   1357  145 | 134  79   8   |
| 34   148   7     | 6    9     148 | 1234 23   5   |
+------------------+----------------+---------------+
| 49   2     1489  | 5    18    7   | 38   6    39  |
| 567  3     158   | 1289 1268  189 | 258  4    27  |
| 5679 56789 589   | 4    268   3   | 258  1    279 |
+------------------+----------------+---------------+
| 1    59    2359  | 289  4     6   | 7    2358 23  |
| 8    457   2345  | 127  1257  15  | 9    235  6   |
| 5679 5679  259   | 3    2578  589 | 14   258   14 |
+------------------+----------------+---------------+


Here's another, although I don't know how it compares with MM's in effectiveness. Note the 49-34-39 XY-Wing pivoted in r4c1. It eliminates nothing, but the 3 can be transported from r3c1 to r2c7 and now the 3 in r4c7 can be eliminated.
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Mogulmeister



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice and will also input to the XYZ wing - possibly doing even more danage to this tough puzzle.
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mahadevan



Joined: 18 Nov 2009
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:26 am    Post subject: mr. arjun's puzzle Reply with quote

Mr. Arun, I have solved the puzzle you put in the forum. At a very nice spot nonet 7 the puzzle made the way to solve. I do not know how to post the solved puzzle with techniques involved. If you give your E mail ID, I will send the suggestions and solved puzzle to you. My E mail ID mahadevanmdrt@gmail.com. I will post in the forum if you tell me how to link the EXCEL sheet with notes.
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Pat



Joined: 23 Feb 2010
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mahadevan wrote:

I have solved the puzzle

At a very nice spot
nonet 7 the puzzle made the way to solve.

I do not know how to post the solved puzzle with techniques involved.

If you give your E mail ID, I will send the suggestions and solved puzzle to you. My E mail ID---

I will post in the forum if you tell me how to link the EXCEL sheet with notes.
    hi mahadevan,

    you can upload files
    ( such as your Excel )
    at various other sites.
      [ edited to remove URL ]

    and you should probably edit-out your e-mail address


Last edited by Pat on Thu Sep 06, 2012 12:18 pm; edited 1 time in total
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mahadevan



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,
Pat, thanks for the inputs. I have used google docs to upload the file.

Hoping you all can see the attachment/solution now.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0ApMC4vSc9mLNdEJtRHV0cHJVci00QkRibVRobmRCVGc&hl=en

Mahadevan
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wapati



Joined: 10 Jun 2008
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mahadevan wrote:
Hi,
Pat, thanks for the inputs. I have used google docs to upload the file.

Hoping you all can see the attachment/solution now.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0ApMC4vSc9mLNdEJtRHV0cHJVci00QkRibVRobmRCVGc&hl=en

Mahadevan


A rule that doesn't always work is just a guess.

Take this puzzle.

Code:
3 . .|. 6 .|. . 4
4 . 6|2 1 .|. 9 .
. 5 .|3 . .|. . .
-----+-----+-----
. 9 .|1 . .|5 . .
. . .|. 8 .|. . .
. . 3|. . 6|. 2 .
-----+-----+-----
. . .|. . 8|. 7 .
. 1 .|. 5 2|4 . 6
6 . .|. 3 .|. . 9


After basics....

Code:
.--------------------.-----------------.----------------.
| 3      27    1279  | 8     6    579  | 127   15  4    |
| 4      78    6     | 2     1    57   | 378   9   3578 |
| 12789  5     12789 | 3     479  479  | 6     18  1278 |
:--------------------+-----------------+----------------:
| 78     9     478   | 1     2    347  | 5     6   378  |
| 1257   6     1257  | 579   8    3579 | 1379  4   137  |
| 1578   478   3     | 4579  479  6    | 1789  2   178  |
:--------------------+-----------------+----------------:
| 259    3     2459  | 6     49   8    | 12    7   125  |
| 789    1     789   | 79    5    2    | 4     3   6    |
| 6      2478  24578 | 47    3    1    | 28    58  9    |
'--------------------'-----------------'----------------'


Box 4, we have 1257 pair.

If we use your rule to eliminate the 7s from box 4 that are not part of the 1257 we end up with no solution.
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mahadevan



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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2010 2:04 pm    Post subject: solving techniques Reply with quote

i don't know the puzzle given as a sample and test my technique, was a solved one. I have solved it.

In fact what I observe is that 1257 interacts between column 1 and 3 of Nonet 4. But my technique is not concerned with interaction; it deals with four identical numbers occupying consecutive cell. My friend may please review and let me know.

If the puzzle in question could not be solved even now, I am ready to post the solved puzzle with techniques involved.

I thank my friend for giving me a chance to try this puzzle. Of course, it also gave me a good idea on how to look at a puzzle from a different angle.
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wapati



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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2010 6:36 pm    Post subject: Re: solving techniques Reply with quote

mahadevan wrote:
i don't know the puzzle given as a sample and test my technique, was a solved one. I have solved it.

In fact what I observe is that 1257 interacts between column 1 and 3 of Nonet 4. But my technique is not concerned with interaction; it deals with four identical numbers occupying consecutive cell. My friend may please review and let me know.

If the puzzle in question could not be solved even now, I am ready to post the solved puzzle with techniques involved.

I thank my friend for giving me a chance to try this puzzle. Of course, it also gave me a good idea on how to look at a puzzle from a different angle.


Yes, it is an easy puzzle. Your method makes it unsolvable.

Code:
.---------------------.---------------------.---------------------.
| 5      1249   24    | 8      6      349   | 124    13     7     |
| 7      6      48    | 2      1      34    | 458    9      3458  |
| 12489  12489  3     | 5      479    479   | 6      18     1248  |
:---------------------+---------------------+---------------------:
| 48     478    9     | 1      2      457   | 3      6      458   |
| 1234   1234   6     | 349    8      3459  | 1459   7      145   |
| 1348   5      478   | 3479   479    6     | 1489   2      148   |
:---------------------+---------------------+---------------------:
| 239    2379   5     | 6      79     8     | 12     4      123   |
| 489    489    1     | 49     3      2     | 7      5      6     |
| 6      23478  2478  | 47     5      1     | 28     38     9     |
'---------------------'---------------------'---------------------'


Same puzzle, some renumber, column 23 switched.
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mahadevan



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PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2010 4:59 am    Post subject: solving technique Reply with quote

Thanks for the enlightenment. I have understood the situation. I will try to improve.
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