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		daj95376
 
 
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				 Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:27 pm    Post subject: Set XY_03 Puzzle 036 | 
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				Edit: Corrected thread title.
 
 
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 | 8 . . | . . 6 | . . . |
 
 | . 6 . | . . . | . 8 9 |
 
 | . . 7 | . . . | . 3 6 |
 
 |-------+-------+-------|
 
 | . . . | 4 . 3 | . . . |
 
 | . . . | . 5 8 | . . 1 |
 
 | 1 . . | 6 7 2 | . 5 8 |
 
 |-------+-------+-------|
 
 | . . . | . . . | . 1 . |
 
 | . 4 9 | . . 1 | 8 6 7 |
 
 | . 1 3 | . 6 7 | . 9 4 |
 
 +-----------------------+
 
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Play this puzzle online at the Daily Sudoku site
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		arkietech
 
 
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				 Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:41 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				A one stepper: 	  | Quote: | 	 		  | xy-chain (3=4)r2c1-(4=9)r3c1-(9=6)r4c1-(6=2)r5c3-(2=5)r2c3-(5=2)r3c2-(2=1)r3c4-(2=7r2c4-(7=3)r1c4=>r1c2,r2c5<>3 | 	 
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		tlanglet
 
 
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				 Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:27 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				Another one stepper is an: 	  | Quote: | 	 		  extended xy-wing 39-4 with pivot 39 in r1c2 and a strong link on 9 in col5 to reach pincer 49 in r7c6 deletes 4 in r2c6
 
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		daj95376
 
 
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				 Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:58 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				| I corrected the title for this thread. Does anyone want to find the easy DP or either of the two (generalized) M-Wings present? | 
			 
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		arkietech
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 2:02 am    Post subject:  | 
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				 	  | Code: | 	 		   *--------------------------------------------------*
 
 | 8    39   1    | 37   349  6    | 47   2    5    |
 
 | 34   6   *25   | 17   234 *45   | 17   8    9    |
 
 | 49  *25   7    | 12   8   *459  | 14   3    6    |
 
 |----------------+----------------+----------------|
 
 | 69  *58  *58   | 4    1    3    | 69   7    2    |
 
 | 367  27   26   | 9    5    8    | 36   4    1    |
 
 | 1    39   4    | 6    7    2    | 39   5    8    |
 
 |----------------+----------------+----------------|
 
 | 67   78   68   | 25   49   49   | 25   1    3    |
 
 | 25   4    9    | 235  23   1    | 8    6    7    |
 
 | 25   1    3    | 8    6    7    | 25   9    4    |
 
 *--------------------------------------------------*
 
is this the DP? r3c6=9 | 	 
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		storm_norm
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 3:19 am    Post subject:  | 
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				 	  | arkietech wrote: | 	 		   	  | Code: | 	 		   *--------------------------------------------------*
 
 | 8    39   1    | 37   349  6    | 47   2    5    |
 
 | 34   6   *25   | 17   234 *45   | 17   8    9    |
 
 | 49  *25   7    | 12   8   *459  | 14   3    6    |
 
 |----------------+----------------+----------------|
 
 | 69  *58  *58   | 4    1    3    | 69   7    2    |
 
 | 367  27   26   | 9    5    8    | 36   4    1    |
 
 | 1    39   4    | 6    7    2    | 39   5    8    |
 
 |----------------+----------------+----------------|
 
 | 67   78   68   | 25   49   49   | 25   1    3    |
 
 | 25   4    9    | 235  23   1    | 8    6    7    |
 
 | 25   1    3    | 8    6    7    | 25   9    4    |
 
 *--------------------------------------------------*
 
is this the DP? r3c6=9 | 	 
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no.
 
if a DP was involved in those cells, it would need to contain only three candidates.  {2,5,8}
 
you are trying to form it with 4 candidates. {2,4,5,8}
 
 
look something like this.
 
 
 	  | Code: | 	 		  +-------+---------+--------+
 
| . . . | . .  .  | . .  . |
 
| . . . | . .  25 | . 28 . |
 
| . . . | . 25 .  | . 28 . |
 
+-------+---------+--------+
 
| . . . | . 58 58 | . .  . |
 
| . . . | . .  .  | . .  . |
 
| . . . | . .  .  | . .  . |
 
+-------+---------+--------+ | 	  
 
this situation can't exist.
 
one (or more) of those cells has to have an extra candidate.
 
like in my next post.
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		storm_norm
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 3:21 am    Post subject:  | 
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				 	  | Code: | 	 		  .---------------.---------------.---------------.
 
| 8    39   1   | 37   349  6   | 47   2    5   |
 
| 34   6    25  | 17   234  45  | 17   8    9   |
 
| 49   25   7   | 12   8    459 | 14   3    6   |
 
:---------------+---------------+---------------:
 
| 69   58   58  | 4    1    3   | 69   7    2   |
 
| 367  27   26  | 9    5    8   | 36   4    1   |
 
| 1    39   4   | 6    7    2   | 39   5    8   |
 
:---------------+---------------+---------------:
 
| 67   78   68  |*25   49   49  |*25   1    3   |
 
|*25   4    9   |*235  23   1   | 8    6    7   |
 
|*25   1    3   | 8    6    7   |*25   9    4   |
 
'---------------'---------------'---------------' | 	  
 
the marked BUGlite says that r8c4 can't be {2,5} | 
			 
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		arkietech
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:30 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				 	  | storm_norm wrote: | 	 		  | the marked BUGlite says that r8c4 can't be {2,5} | 	   Thanks, Norm | 
			 
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		storm_norm
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 6:06 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				Dan,
 
have you ventured into any of the BUGlite threads on other forums?  in some of the threads there are some nice diagrams of the different patterns. | 
			 
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		arkietech
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 6:49 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				 	  | storm_norm wrote: | 	 		  Dan,
 
have you ventured into any of the BUGlite threads on other forums?  in some of the threads there are some nice diagrams of the different patterns. | 	  
 
Apparently I need to be more adventurist.   
 
Thanks Norm | 
			 
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