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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:45 pm    Post subject: VH++ Reply with quote

I needed some "transports" from patterns like w- or (half) M-wings for this one.
Code:
 +-------+-------+-------+
 | . 6 7 | 9 . . | . . . |
 | 8 . . | . 5 . | . . . |
 | 3 . 4 | . 6 . | . . . |
 +-------+-------+-------+
 | 6 . . | . . 8 | . . . |
 | . 2 9 | . . . | 8 3 . |
 | . . . | 7 . . | . . 4 |
 +-------+-------+-------+
 | . . . | . 7 . | 3 . 1 |
 | . . . | . 9 . | . . 7 |
 | . . . | . . 2 | 9 6 . |
 +-------+-------+-------+
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Code:

+--------------+-------------+--------------+
| 125 6   7    | 9   8  14   | 1245 1245 23 |
| 8   19  12   | 124 5  3    | 1247 79   6  |
| 3   159 4    | 12  6  7    | 125  8    29 |
+--------------+-------------+--------------+
| 6   4   13   | 5   23 8    | 127  79   29 |
| 7   2   9    | 146 14 146  | 8    3    5  |
| 15  135 8    | 7   23 9    | 6    12   4  |
+--------------+-------------+--------------+
| 9   8   26   | 46  7  456  | 3    245  1  |
| 124 13  1236 | 8   9  1456 | 245  245  7  |
| 14  7   5    | 3   14 2    | 9    6    8  |
+--------------+-------------+--------------+

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An XY-chain jumped out at me: 1r2c2 = 1r6c8, which exposes an XY-wing, which solves the puzzle.
Kind of the reverse of a recent puzzle posted by Earl. I'm looking forward to the sophisticated method!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Victor wrote:
Code:

+--------------+-------------+--------------+
| 125 6   7    | 9   8  14   | 1245 1245 23 |
| 8   19  12   | 124 5  3    | 1247 79   6  |
| 3   159 4    | 12  6  7    | 125  8    29 |
+--------------+-------------+--------------+
| 6   4   13   | 5   23 8    | 127  79   29 |
| 7   2   9    | 146 14 146  | 8    3    5  |
| 15  135 8    | 7   23 9    | 6    12   4  |
+--------------+-------------+--------------+
| 9   8   26   | 46  7  456  | 3    245  1  |
| 124 13  1236 | 8   9  1456 | 245  245  7  |
| 14  7   5    | 3   14 2    | 9    6    8  |
+--------------+-------------+--------------+

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An XY-chain jumped out at me: 1r2c2 = 1r6c8, which exposes an XY-wing, which solves the puzzle.
Kind of the reverse of a recent puzzle posted by Earl. I'm looking forward to the sophisticated method!


victor,
I believe the xy-chain is a good first move after basics. it leads to an xy-wing which finishes it off.
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ravel



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Victor wrote:
I'm looking forward to the sophisticated method!

This time my preference for remote pairs made me blind for the xy-chain, which is not hard to spot and more effective.
Code:
 *---------------------------------------------------*
 | 125  6    7     | 9    8   14    | 1245  145  3   |
 | 8   -19  #12    | 124  5   3     | 1247  79   6   |
 | 3    159  4     | 12   6   7     | 125   8    29  |
 |-----------------+----------------+----------------|
 | 6    4  &*13    | 5    23  8     |*127   79   29  |
 | 7    2    9     | 146  14  146   | 8     3    5   |
 | 15   135  8     | 7    23  9     | 6    #12   4   |
 |-----------------+----------------+----------------|
 | 9    8   *26    | 46   7   456   | 3    *245  1   |
 | 124 &13  -1-236 | 8    9   1456  | 245   245  7   |
 | 14   7    5     | 3    14  2     | 9     6    8   |
 *---------------------------------------------------*

I looked at the 12-pairs # in r2c3 and r6c8:
Its a w-wing with the both a strong link for 2 in row 7 and for 1 in row 4:
So one of the pairs must be 1 and the other 2.

1 and 2 can be transported from r6c8 over the strong links:
r6c8=1 => r4c3=1 ==> r8c3<>1 and
r6c8=2 => r7c3=2 ==> r8c3<>2.

But these are very weak eliminations. They only revealed a half M-wing 13 :
r8c2=3 => r6c2<>3 => r4c3=3.
With the eliminated 1 in r8c3 there is a strong link for 1 from r4c3 to r2c3 and we have
r8c2=1 or r3c2=1 ==> r2c2<>1
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I asked for the the sophisticated method: certainly got it! Smart stuff as ever. I guess that, if I'd looked hard, I'd have seen that the 12s are conjugate, but I doubt if I'd have been able to make much further progress.
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