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		keith
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 2:55 am    Post subject: Happy New Year! - One from Carcul | 
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				I found this posted in a couple of places on another forum:
 
 
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 . 9 . | 8 . 5 | . 4 .
 
 . . 6 | . 7 . | 8 . .
 
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 . 5 . | . . . | . 3 .
 
 . . 1 | . 8 . | 6 . .
 
 . 4 . | . . . | . 2 .
 
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 . . 2 | . 6 . | 7 . .
 
 . 6 . | 1 . 9 | . 5 .
 
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http://www.sudoku.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=2575
 
 
Take your time!
 
 
Best wishes,
 
 
Keith | 
			 
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		storm_norm
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 6:25 am    Post subject:  | 
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				 	  | Code: | 	 		  1       8       45      | 2       349     6       | 359     7       359
 
7       9       3       | 8       1       5       | 2       4       6
 
45      2       6       | 349     7       34      | 8       1       359
 
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2       5       89      | 6       49      17      | 14      3       78
 
3       7       1       | 45      8       2       | 6       9       45
 
6       4       89      | 359     359     17      | 15      2       78
 
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459     13      2       | 345     6       34      | 7       8       1349
 
8       6       7       | 1       234     9       | 34      5       234
 
459     13      45      | 7       2345    8       | 349     6       12349
 
 
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		storm_norm
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 6:58 am    Post subject:  | 
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				| so is that a UR on 13 in rows 7 and 9??    taking out the 3's in r7c9 and r9c9?? | 
			 
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		storm_norm
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 7:12 am    Post subject:  | 
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				| finned x-wing on 4 takes out 4 in r9c7 | 
			 
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		storm_norm
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 7:53 am    Post subject:  | 
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				if you color 5,
 
 
you will see three sets of conjugate 5's in rows 3,5,7
 
 
and nice enough, you can see the same pattern if you look to the verticle.
 
 
the conjugate pairs of 5's in columns 3,5,7
 
 
all doing the same thing.  forming a swordfish pattern and killing the 5's in 
 
 
r9c1
 
r6c4
 
r1c9
 
 
looking for xy-chains tomorrow | 
			 
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		Johan
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 1:05 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				There is a potential [34] DP* in R37C46, for avoiding that DP either R7C4=5 or R3C4=9 or both
 
 
When R7C4=5 => R5C4=4 => R4C5=9 => R3C4=9, which pins <9> in R3C4, after that, pincer colouring(r=true 
 
 
g=false) on the idle [34-35-45] xy-wing@ takes out <4> in R1C4, solving the puzzle.
 
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| 1          5         45  | 2        34g-[9]    6    | 359         7      359   |
 
| 7          9         3   | 8        1          5    | 2           4      6     |
 
| 45         2         6   |*349 [=9] 7        @ 34r *| 8           1    @ 35-[9]|
 
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| 2          5         89  | 6        49r        17   | 14g         3      78    |
 
| 3          7         1   | 45       8          2    | 6           9    @ 45r   |
 
| 6          4         89  | 359      359        17   | 15          2      78    |
 
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| 459        13        2   |*345      6          34  *| 7           8      1349  |
 
| 8          6         7   | 1        234        9    | 34          5      234   |
 
| 459        13        45  | 7        2345       8    | 349         6      12349 |
 
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		ravel
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 1:41 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				Many ways to solve it. First i started from storm_norms grid, also noticed the UR 34 to eliminate 9 from r1c5. Then i used 3 strong links to eliminate 5 from r6c4 (only later i saw that there is a swordfish), which gave me a 4-cell xy-chain to eliminate 5 from r7c1.
 
 
But i know, that Carcul likes 1-step-solutions, so i restarted and applied the swordfish first: 
 
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 | 1      8     A45     | 2      3-49   6      | 359    7      39     |
 
 | 7      9      3      | 8      1      5      | 2      4      6      |
 
 |B45     2      6      | 3-49   7      34     | 8      1     E359    |
 
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 | 2      5      89     | 6     -49     17     | 14     3      78     |
 
 | 3      7      1      |C45     8      2      | 6      9     D45     |
 
 | 6      4      89     | 39     359    17     | 15     2      78     |
 
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 | 459    13     2      | 345    6      34     | 7      8      1349   |
 
 | 8      6      7      | 1      234    9      | 34     5      234    |
 
 | 49     13     45     | 7      2345   8      | 349    6      12349  |
 
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 | 	  Now i concentrated on the 45's. There is a strong link for 5 in column 9 ED, which builds a w-wing with BC and eliminates 4 in r3c4. But it does not help much.
 
With the strong link for 5 in row 3 B and D are complementary pairs (either both are 4 or both are 5), but i could not find a strong link to make another elimination. But then A and C are complementary pairs also. With the strong link for 4 in row 1 one of r1c5 or C must be 4 => r4c5<>4 and r3c4<>4. With the link in box 5 one of A and r4c5 must be 4 => r1c5<>4.
 
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		Johan
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 2:49 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				| There is a typo in my previous post,  <4> in R1C4, must be <4> in R1C5 | 
			 
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