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		ravel
 
 
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				 Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 1:28 pm    Post subject: UR - eh DP | 
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				By gsf
 
 	  | Code: | 	 		  . . . | 3 9 8 | . . .
 
. 5 . | . 2 . | . 6 .
 
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8 . . | . . . | . . 9
 
6 2 . | . 5 . | . 4 1
 
7 . . | . . . | . . 8
 
------+-------+------
 
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. 4 . | . 6 . | . 2 .
 
. . . | 4 1 9 | . . .  | 	  After a long way and 2 x-wings an 8 cell UR (type 1) - [edit:] better UL for "unique loop" - jumped into my eyes, which easily solved it. | 
			 
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		nataraj
 
 
  Joined: 03 Aug 2007 Posts: 1048 Location: near Vienna, Austria
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				 Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 2:04 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				X-wings and one other coloring elimination (kite?):
 
x-wing(8) c28,
 
x-wing(9) c28;
 
 
x-wing(8) r28;
 
 
(multi-)coloring (7) :-r9c7=r1c7-r2c9=r2c3-; r9c3<>7
 
 
got me to this position:
 
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+--------------------------+--------------------------+--------------------------+ 
 
| 4       67      267      | 3       9       8        | 57      1       257      | 
 
| 39      5       378      | 1       2       4        | 89      6       37       | 
 
| 123     89      123      | 56      7       56       | 4       89      23       | 
 
+--------------------------+--------------------------+--------------------------+ 
 
| 8       3       5        | 26      4       1        | 26      7       9        | 
 
| 6       2       9        | 8       5       7        | 3       4       1        | 
 
| 7       1       4        | 9       3       26       | 26      5       8        | 
 
+--------------------------+--------------------------+--------------------------+ 
 
| 35      679     67       | 257     8       25       | 1       39      4        | 
 
| 19      4       18       | 57      6       3        | 89      2       57       | 
 
| 235     78      23       | 4       1       9        | 57      38      6        | 
 
+--------------------------+--------------------------+--------------------------+ 
 
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An xy-chain/w-wing '39' (r2c1 ... r7c8 via r2c7,r3c8) removes 3 from r7c1.
 
That solves it. | 
			 
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		ravel
 
 
  Joined: 21 Apr 2006 Posts: 536
 
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				 Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 2:09 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				I already stopped here (didnt spot the w-wing yet)
 
 	  | Code: | 	 		   *--------------------------------------------------*
 
 | 4    67   267  | 3    9    8    | 57   1    257  |
 
 | 39   5    378  | 1    2    4    | 89   6    37   |
 
 | 123  89   123  | 56   7    56   | 4    389  23   |
 
 |----------------+----------------+----------------|
 
 | 8    3    5    | 26   4    1    | 26   7    9    |
 
 | 6    2    9    | 8    5    7    | 3    4    1    |
 
 | 7    1    4    | 9    3    26   | 26   5    8    |
 
 |----------------+----------------+----------------|
 
 | 35   679  367  | 257  8    25   | 1    39   4    |
 
 | 19   4    18   | 57   6    3    | 89   2    57   |
 
 | 235  78   237  | 4    1    9    | 57   38   6    |
 
 *--------------------------------------------------*
 
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		nataraj
 
 
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				 Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 4:34 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				Next (optional?) step for me, before the xy-chain, was to remove 7 from r9c3 (marked #) 
 
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*--------------------------------------------------*
 
 | 4    67   267  | 3    9    8    | 57#  1    257  |
 
 | 39*  5    37#8 | 1    2    4    | 89*  6    37#  |
 
 | 123  89   123  | 56   7    56   | 4    389* 23   |
 
 |----------------+----------------+----------------|
 
 | 8    3    5    | 26   4    1    | 26   7    9    |
 
 | 6    2    9    | 8    5    7    | 3    4    1    |
 
 | 7    1    4    | 9    3    26   | 26   5    8    |
 
 |----------------+----------------+----------------|
 
 |-3 5  679  367  | 257  8    25   | 1    39*  4    |
 
 | 19   4    18   | 57   6    3    | 89   2    57   |
 
 | 235  78   23-7 | 4    1    9    | 57#  38   6    |
 
 *--------------------------------------------------*
 
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That gives a naked triple 2,3,5 in box 7, which removes 3 from r7c3. 
 
3 in r3c8 can be removed, too, by box/line interaction)
 
It is only then that the xy-chain (marked *)appears. | 
			 
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		ravel
 
 
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				 Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 7:21 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				Hm, the w-wing with strong link for 9 in c7 was there for some time,  but i missed it. 
 
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 | 4    67   267  | 3    9    8    | 57   1    257  |
 
 | 39   5    378  | 1    2    4    | 89   6    37   |
 
 | 123  89   123  |#56   7   #56   | 4    389  23   |
 
 |----------------+----------------+----------------|
 
 | 8    3    5    |#26   4    1    |#26   7    9    |
 
 | 6    2    9    | 8    5    7    | 3    4    1    |
 
 | 7    1    4    | 9    3   #26   |#26   5    8    |
 
 |----------------+----------------+----------------|
 
 | 35   679  367  |#257  8   #25   | 1    39   4    |
 
 | 19   4    18   | 57   6    3    | 89   2    57   |
 
 | 235  78   237  | 4    1    9    | 57   38   6    |
 
 *--------------------------------------------------*  | 	   Instead i saw the marked DP. See here. | 
			 
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		storm_norm
 
 
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				 Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 7:44 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				x-wings on 8 and 9  
 
 
that is after a multitude of naked pairs, triples, box line | 
			 
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		nataraj
 
 
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				 Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 7:49 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				That is a great example of more complicated DPs, ravel!
 
I always suspected that the pattern would bend and change candidates but never had a chance (well, maybe a chance but not the need) to follow up on this. As a matter of fact, I recognize that pattern in a grid because it is very similar to the pattern you get in coloring sometimes: starts as a pair in one row, but makes no xwing and "turns" instead. Now that I know these patterns are also DPs they will be of great help.
 
 
So, just to test my newfound knowledge, the marked DP in your grid makes r7c4=7, right? Simple Type 1. | 
			 
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