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Times Fiendish 5/10/05

 
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Befuddled
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 7:38 am    Post subject: Times Fiendish 5/10/05 Reply with quote
Would appreciate some help please. This is as far as I have got.

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3         4        2         678        6789       679       68         5         1
79        6        8         4            5         1         3         79        2
179        5       179      268         2368        23          4        68        79
4         1789     1579    3            679         5679      168       2         79
789        2        6       1            79       4           5         789      3
1579      3        1579    2567       2679         8           16        679       4
15789    1789      14579   5678        14678      567        2          3          58
6           18       135      9         1238      235        7          4          58
2           78       3457     578       3478       357        9          1          6
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Befuddled
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 7:40 am    Post subject: Times Fiendish 5/10/05 Reply with quote
Sorry - that's a mess, will try to do it again
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Befuddled
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 7:51 am    Post subject: Times Fiendish 5/10/05 Reply with quote
Code:

3      4      2      678    6789   679    68     5      1
79     6      8      4      5      1      3      79     2
179    5      179    268    2368   23     4      68     79
4      1789   1579   3      679    5679   168    2      79
789    2      6      1      79     4      5      789    3     
1579   3      1579   2567   2679   8      16     679    4
15789  1789   14579  5678   14678  567    2      3      58
6      18     135    9      1238   235    7      4      58
2      78     3457   578    3478   357    9      1      6
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Befuddled
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 8:02 am    Post subject: Very Sorry!! Reply with quote
Have just discovered I copied down the original wrongly - one number misplaced. Hope no-one has gone to any trouble yet.
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someone_somewhere



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Location: Munich
PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hi,

Yup, that is the point up to which you can get with the "normal" techniques.
Now only "advanced" techniques will help.
I will try "coloring" first and let you know ...

We can see that:
Nr=1 occurs=15
Nr=2 occurs=7
Nr=3 occurs=8
Nr=4 occurs=4
Nr=5 occurs=16
Nr=6 occurs=18
Nr=7 occurs=32
Nr=8 occurs=21
Nr=9 occurs=22

To my experience, I will start with Number 8 that has 21 occurances, best chances for coloring (for a single number).

see u,
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David Bryant



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Location: Denver, Colorado
PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Very Sorry!! Reply with quote
Befuddled wrote:
Have just discovered I copied down the original wrongly - one number misplaced. Hope no-one has gone to any trouble yet.


Well, I guess our guest isn't going to provide an update, so this note is probably just for the record. I'm not certain how many solutions the puzzle as posted here actually has, but it does have at least two.
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342 879 651  |  342 879 651
768 451 392  |  768 451 392
159 236 487  |  951 236 487

471 365 829  |  417 365 829
826 194 573  |  826 194 573
935 728 164  |  539 728 164

594 617 238  |  195 647 238
613 982 745  |  683 912 745
287 543 916  |  274 583 916

Differences may be observed in the top left 3x3 box, in the middle left 3x3 box, and in the bottom left and bottom center 3x3 boxes; or, to put it another way, rows 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, and 9 are different, as are columns 1, 2, 3, & 5. dcb
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Befuddled
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
You guys certainly rise to the challenge! What you've come up with is very interesting. Sorry not to update, but I didn't think it would be of interest. Once I had correctly placed the 9 in Box 8 in col 5 instead of col 4, I was away laughing. Thanks for your efforts!! Very Happy
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alanr555



Joined: 01 Aug 2005
Posts: 198
Location: Bideford Devon EX39
PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
> That is the point up to which you can get with the "normal" techniques.
> Now only "advanced" techniques will help.

> I will try "coloring" first and let you know ...

> We can see that: Nr=? occurs x-times
> (where ? takes all values 1-9 and x is the individual frequency)

> To my experience, I will start with Number 8 that has 21 occurances,
> best chances for coloring (for a single number).

WHAT is this process called "coloring"?

Do those of us with only one pen (eg black or blue) or pencil now find
ourselves at a major disadvantage? If so, how are the multiple colours
used in deriving a solution?

We are told that a digit with a particular frequency was the best to use
first for the process. This frequency was neither the smallest or the
highest. What leads to such selection?

Alan Rayner BS23 2QT
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