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fewer named techniques might lead to less confusion?

 
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storm_norm



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:14 am    Post subject: fewer named techniques might lead to less confusion? Reply with quote

everyone,

ever wonder why there isn't more of an effort in the sudoku community to bring all the different names of multicoloring ( skyscraper, kite, x-wing, etc) under one name? it was pointed out in a couple posts by Asellus and others that some confusion might be in the different names used.

when I first read this forum, I was very confused at all the names given to one technique. until I found out it was actually all ONE technique.

same goes for xy-wing and xy-chain because all xy-wings are the simplest form of an xy-chain.

so why isn't there more of an effort to educate that fact?
why is it accepted to keep 3 names for one technique?

sounds like my dad, we never use his real name... his family calls him Sam ( his middle name) his relatives call him Tio ( uncle ), and to top it all off, his freinds call him by his real first name. go figure.

I realize that once a nickname sticks, it sticks. and for some people its how they see the technique that gives it it's name. but that is kind of my point. it needs to be explained.

don't mean to get all deep, just some questions.

norm
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Myth Jellies



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In some cases this comes about because there are multiple forums, many with their own names for things.

More importantly, though, there are different levels at which you might visualize the problem.

You discover water, then you find it is dihydrogen oxide, then you discover it is made up of a particular arrangement of protons, neutrons, and electrons, then you discover those can be broken down yet further.

Hence, sky-scrapers are turbot fish which are x-cycles which are AICs. XY-wings are xy-chains which are AICs, too.

The deeper you go, the more you can connect together and the more you can predict; but you don't throw out the term "water" just because you find out it is dihydrogen oxide Smile. After all, in some way "water" represents the real experience far more closely than any deeper terms can.
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nataraj



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

... and some write HOCH2CH3, some think ethanol and others taste wine ...

I like your post, Myth ! I was going to say, the different names add color, but your explanation hits the spot much better. As with scientific and trivial names, the naming depends both on the point of view and the audience. Now that I think of it, I usually say "coloring elimination", because that's how I looked at the grid in the first place. I tend to avoid "kite" and such - but then I never went looking for those specific patterns but any pattern in a single candidate.
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storm_norm



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The deeper you go, the more you can connect together and the more you can predict; but you don't throw out the term "water" just because you find out it is dihydrogen oxide . After all, in some way "water" represents the real experience far more closely than any deeper terms can


myth Jellies

I see your point with water and I think I can make your point stronger, if its possible.

(although I think an abstract word like "love" would have made an even stronger argument because it has so many meanings to so many people)

water as a word is found in probably every language in the world and will probably be found in every future language and its probably just as old as the languages themselves. It has had a meaning deeper than most words because it is something we can see and feel and deal with on a daily basis.

however, we as humans do use some different words to describe where water is. Water in the ocean is called salt water. Water in mountain river is called fresh water. the list goes on:
carbonated water, spring water,
Ice,
steam,
frost,
rain,
snow,
hail,
H20,
cloud,
fog,
mist,
dew.

we all understand that these are all water.

the heart of my post is to ask if the sudoku community understands that a skyscraper is just a special case of multicoloring.
that an x-wing is just another special case. I think this will bring some light to any new sudoku player.

water is just water even if it has 100 names. the reason it has 100 names, I think, is the same reason that multicoloring has so many names. We as humans need a name ( mental image, something concrete) to help us understand.
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keith



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nataraj wrote:
... and others taste wine ....


Include me with these others.

Keith
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