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		| immpy 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2021 8:05 pm    Post subject: VH 111821 |   |  
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				| Hello all, enjoy the puzzle... 
 
  	  | Code: |  	  | +-------+-------+-------+
 | . . . | . . . | 1 . 3 |
 | . . . | . 9 1 | 8 . . |
 | 7 . . | 4 . . | . 2 9 |
 +-------+-------+-------+
 | . 5 6 | . 2 . | . . . |
 | . . . | . 8 . | . . 1 |
 | . 3 8 | . 6 . | . . . |
 +-------+-------+-------+
 | 9 . . | 2 . . | . 1 8 |
 | . . . | . 1 3 | 9 . . |
 | . . . | . 4 . | 7 . 5 |
 +-------+-------+-------+
 
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 Play this puzzle online at the Daily Sudoku site
 
 cheers...immp
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		| Mogulmeister 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:19 am    Post subject: One way |   |  
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				| After basics: 
 
  	  | Code: |  	  | +---------------+--------------+--------------+ | 568 4689 459  | 68  57  2    | 1   47  3    |
 | 3   2    45   | 57  9   1    | 8   47  6    |
 | 7   68   1    | 4   3   68   | 5   2   9    |
 +---------------+--------------+--------------+
 | 14  5    6    | 179 2   79   | 3   8   47   |
 | 2   79   79   | 3   8   4    | 6   5   1    |
 | 14  3    8    | 157 6   57   | 2   9   47   |
 +---------------+--------------+--------------+
 | 9   67   3    | 2   57  567  | 4   1   8    |
 | 58  478  457  | 78  1   3    | 9   6   2    |
 | 68  1    2    | 689 4   689  | 7   3   5    |
 +---------------+--------------+--------------+
 
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  	  | Quote: |  	  | Pincers for 7 at r7c2 and r8c4 
 Eliminates 7 from r8c23 and r7c56
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		| TomC 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2021 12:25 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| I think I was on the same lines as you Mogulmeister, but saw it differently 
 If r8c4=8 then r7c2=7 leaves no space for a <7> in box 8
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		| TomC 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2021 3:26 pm    Post subject: Another way |   |  
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				| There is a <68> in r1 and c1, so r1c1<>6 as then no <8> in box 8 |  | 
	
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		| Mogulmeister 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:23 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| There is a pleasing symmetry about that pattern with a lovely simplicity to it. As you say Tom, a 6 in r1c1 triggers the 8 in both <68> outliers and box 8 is toast for 8s. 
 As always, you can plug 6 into r1c1 and follow a loop round and it removes itself from r1c1.
 
 +6r1c1-(6=8)r9c1-(8)r9c46=(r8c4)-(8=6)r1c4 so r1c1 < > 6
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		| TomC 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:58 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| I agree, this is a very good looking contradiction 
 It stems from the pattern of 8's in box 8
 
 First, just give the two <68> pairs in r1 and c1 names, say a and b (not really needed but makes my point cleaner)
 
 Look at box 8 and the position of the 8's in that box. They make an "L" shape which shows that wherever you put an 8 it will remove an 8 in a or b.  But crucially, it also shows that a and b cannot both be 8's as this gives the contradiction.
 
 With this information, the <568> in r1c1 pops up to force the contradiction and solve the puzzle.
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		| Mogulmeister 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 4:21 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Nice. |  | 
	
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