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yeoks
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 Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 6:38 am Post subject: May 16 VH |
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XY-Wing 16 15 56 takes out 6 in r7c6
followed by another 15 25 12 removing 1 from r3c3 |
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peterj
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| Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 10:39 am Post subject: |
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This one didn't seem to want to solve any other way than the 2 xy-wings for me!
Though I did waste 10 minutes of my life on a long xy-chain starting (5=1)r1c1 and ending (6=5)r7c7 eliminating 5 from r7c1. This left only the first of the xy-wings. |
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Kdelle
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| Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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I needed two wings also, but I used the 258 XY wing as my second.
Kathy |
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Clement
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| Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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yeoks,
I cannot see the XY-Wing 16 15 56. Can you indicate the cells where the pivot and pincers are which take out 6 in r7c6. |
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Marty R.
Joined: 12 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Clement wrote: | yeoks,
I cannot see the XY-Wing 16 15 56. Can you indicate the cells where the pivot and pincers are which take out 6 in r7c6. |
Pivot in r2c7.
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+-------------+-------------+--------------+
| 15 36 9 | 125 26 8 | 7 345 1345 |
| 8 36 4 | 9 7 16 | 15 35 2 |
| 7 2 15 | 15 3 4 | 8 6 9 |
+-------------+-------------+--------------+
| 24 1 28 | 6 9 5 | 3 248 7 |
| 249 89 6 | 3 1 7 | 45 2458 458 |
| 3 5 7 | 8 4 2 | 16 9 16 |
+-------------+-------------+--------------+
| 259 4 3 | 7 268 69 | 56 1 568 |
| 6 78 12 | 12 5 3 | 9 478 48 |
| 159 789 158 | 4 68 169 | 2 3578 3568 |
+-------------+-------------+--------------+
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Play this puzzle online at the Daily Sudoku site |
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keith
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Location: near Detroit, Michigan, USA
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| Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Marty R. wrote: | | Clement wrote: | yeoks,
I cannot see the XY-Wing 16 15 56. Can you indicate the cells where the pivot and pincers are which take out 6 in r7c6. |
Pivot in r2c7.
| Code: |
+-------------+-------------+--------------+
| 15 36 9 | 125 26 8 | 7 345 1345 |
| 8 36 4 | 9 7 16 | 15 35 2 |
| 7 2 15 | 15 3 4 | 8 6 9 |
+-------------+-------------+--------------+
| 24 1 28 | 6 9 5 | 3 248 7 |
| 249 89 6 | 3 1 7 | 45 2458 458 |
| 3 5 7 | 8 4 2 | 16 9 16 |
+-------------+-------------+--------------+
| 259 4 3 | 7 268 69 | 56 1 568 |
| 6 78 12 | 12 5 3 | 9 478 48 |
| 159 789 158 | 4 68 169 | 2 3578 3568 |
+-------------+-------------+--------------+
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Play this puzzle online at the Daily Sudoku site |
The XY-wing is in R24C67. The rectangular ones are tough to see!
(Maybe it needs a different name  )
Marty,
In this grid you can solve R5C6 as a single, and then R4C1.
Keith |
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Marty R.
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Location: Rochester, NY, USA
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| Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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Keith, sorry, I don't understand either of your two statements.  |
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George Woods
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| Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 5:32 pm Post subject: xy wing |
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| Marty R. wrote: | | Keith, sorry, I don't understand either of your two statements. |
if you look in row 2 you will see a 16 and a 15 so if you are to find an x wing one of thes cells will "see" a 56 vertically
Hope this helps |
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peterj
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| Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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By rectangular I guess Keith means the 'three block' type of xy-wing.
They are definitely much harder to see (for me) especially if they are a long way apart - I often stumble on them when looking for xy-chains (my standard move after colouring when I am lacking inspiration!) |
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keith
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Location: near Detroit, Michigan, USA
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| Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="keith"] | Marty R. wrote: | | Clement wrote: | yeoks,
I cannot see the XY-Wing 16 15 56. Can you indicate the cells where the pivot and pincers are which take out 6 in r7c6. |
The XY-wing is in R24C67. The rectangular ones are tough to see!
(Maybe it needs a different name )
Marty,
In this grid you can solve R5C6 as a single, and then R4C1.
Keith |
OOPS! Should be:
The XY-wing is in R27C67.
If the three cells of the XY-wing (one pivot plus two pincers) lie on the corners of a rectangle, there can be an elimination in only one cell. I find these hard to spot.
The comment about the name is a jab at those who would name every variant of two strong links.
OOPS 2! Should be:
In this grid you can solve R5C7as a single, and then R4C1. They are both 4.
Keith  |
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Wendy W
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| Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Two xy-wings for me, just like yeoks: 156 and 125. There was also an xyz-wing 568 but it wasn't necessary. |
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keith
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| Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Wendy W wrote: | | There was also an xyz-wing 568 but it wasn't necessary. |
There is also an unnecessary X-wing. 
Keith |
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Wendy W
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| Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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Geez, Keith, you had to go and point that out, didn't you!  My problem is a lack of patience: Once I find a wing of any sort, I just don't feel like going back and doing the meticulous basics all over again -- I just want to find more! |
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