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		arkietech
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 12:09 am    Post subject: Cinco de Mayo VH | 
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+-------+-------+-------+
 
| . . 9 | . 4 . | . . 1 |
 
| . 4 . | 5 . 9 | 8 . 6 |
 
| 6 7 . | . 8 . | . . . |
 
+-------+-------+-------+
 
| . . . | . . . | 2 . . |
 
| 7 3 . | . 2 . | . 9 8 |
 
| . . 4 | . . . | . . . |
 
+-------+-------+-------+
 
| . . . | . 6 . | . 1 2 |
 
| 5 . 6 | 1 . 8 | . 4 . |
 
| 4 . . | . 7 . | 6 . . |
 
+-------+-------+-------+
 
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		Marty R.
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 4:29 am    Post subject:  | 
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				 	  | Quote: | 	 		  Skyscraper (5)
 
Coloring (3), was done with Remote Pairs (13) that eliminated nothing, but the 3 was extended | 	 
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		Mogulmeister
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 9:12 am    Post subject:  | 
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				Arriba Dan ! (sincere apologies to all Spanish speakers - feel free to correct!)
 
 
No uno, sino dos aletas perro viejo ! Resuelto en un solo paso.
 
 
   
 
 
 	  | Quote: | 	 		  | A doubly finned swordfish on 3s eliminates the 3 in r8c5 solving the puzzle | 	 
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		tlanglet
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 2:28 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				Looking for extended xy-wings, I found a short, one stepper AIC.
 
 
(1=3)r2c5 - (3=9)r8c5 - r46c5 = r4c4 - (9=1)r4c1; r2c1<>1
 
 
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		tlanglet
 
 
  Joined: 17 Oct 2007 Posts: 2468 Location: Northern California Foothills
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				 Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 2:49 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				 	  | Mogulmeister wrote: | 	 		  Arriba Dan ! (sincere apologies to all Spanish speakers - feel free to correct!)
 
 
No uno, sino dos aletas perro viejo ! Resuelto en un solo paso.
 
 
   
 
 
 	  | Quote: | 	 		  | A doubly finned swordfish on 3s eliminates the 3 in r8c5 solving the puzzle | 	 
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Mogulmeister, I can't speak  to your Spanish phasing, but to your solution I can speak "GREAT FIND"   
 
 
I just looked at the puzzle again and found  a swordfish pattern that made your deletion but, based on my interactions with Wapati on this topic, I believe that you have a Sashimi Swordfish. I understand the convention to be:
 
 
"Finned" if the wing pattern is fully populated but also contains extra occurrences,
 
"Sashimi"  if the wing pattern is missing an occurrence in the basic grid but does contain extra occurrences.
 
 
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		tlanglet
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 3:01 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				 	  | Marty R. wrote: | 	 		   	  | Quote: | 	 		  Skyscraper (5)
 
Coloring (3), was done with Remote Pairs (13) that eliminated nothing, but the 3 was extended | 	 
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Marty,
 
 
Your second step was very interesting. In the past, I have not paid further attention to non-productive Remote Pairs; I the future I will follow your lead.
 
 
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		daj95376
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 6:31 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				 	  | tlanglet wrote: | 	 		  I understand the convention to be:
 
 
"Finned" if the wing pattern is fully populated but also contains extra occurrences,
 
"Sashimi"  if the wing pattern is missing an occurrence in the basic grid but does contain extra occurrences.
 
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I do not wish to open Pandora's Box on the topic of Sashimi Fish. However, I use ronk's definitions.
 
 
 	  | Code: | 	 		  take the fin(s) out:
 
1. if you have a     viable basic fish of the original size -------> Finned  Fish
 
2. if you have a non-viable basic fish of the original size -------> Sashimi Fish
 
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If you take the fins out, then a (smaller) X-Wing and a Hidden Single will suffice to produce the elimination. This qualifies as "non-viable"; i.e. Sashimi.
 
 
 	  | Code: | 	 		   *-----------------------------------------------------------*
 
 | 38    58    9     | 67    4     67    | 35    2     1     |
 
 | 13    4     2     | 5     13    9     | 8     7     6     |
 
 | 6     7     135   | 23    8     123   | 49    35    49    |
 
 |-------------------+-------------------+-------------------|
 
 | 19    1569  8     | 3479  1359  1347  | 2     356   3457  |
 
 | 7     3     15    | 46    2     146   | 145   9     8     |
 
 | 2     1569  4     | 8     1359  137   | 1357  356   357   |
 
 |-------------------+-------------------+-------------------|
 
 | 389   89    7     | 349   6     345   | 359   1     2     |
 
 | 5     2     6     | 1     39    8     | 379   4     379   |
 
 | 4     19    13    | 239   7     235   | 6     8     359   |
 
 *-----------------------------------------------------------*
 
 
 +-----------------------------------+
 
 | *3  .  .  |  .  .  .  | *3  .  .  |
 
 | *3  .  .  |  . *3  .  |  .  .  .  |
 
 |  .  .  3  |  3  .  3  |  .  3  .  |
 
 |-----------+-----------+-----------|
 
 |  .  .  .  |  3  3  3  |  .  3  3  |
 
 |  .  3  .  |  .  .  .  |  .  .  .  |
 
 |  .  .  .  |  .  3  3  |  3  3  3  |
 
 |-----------+-----------+-----------|
 
 | *3  .  .  | #3  . #3  | *3  .  .  |
 
 |  .  .  .  |  .  3  .  |  3  .  3  |
 
 |  .  .  3  |  3  .  3  |  .  .  3  |
 
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		Mogulmeister
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 9:27 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				Thanks Danny and thanks Ted.
 
 
I must admit that I was more familiar with Ted's definition but i also saw the "breakdown" that Danny described into smaller components.
 
 
Sashimi of course is generally served without fins in Japanese restaurants.
 
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