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				|  Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 3:43 pm    Post subject: Help....... |   |  
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				| Hi guys, 
 Can anyone help me on this one (The Times, Book 2, no 83,Fiendish)
 
 -5- --- 3--
 -3- 9-- 57-
 --9 -5- 481
 
 412  5-6  -x-
 56- -7- 12-
 --- 2-- 654
 
 14- -35 2--
 -8- --2 --5
 --5 --- --3
 
 Hint facility makes x=3.  Can't be sure why!!  Any ideas??
 
 PS Been doing su doku for a while but have only just discovered this website.  Forgive me if my grid is a bit wonky - just copied what others had done!!
 
 Thanks Treez
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		| schwa 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 4:55 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| After crossing off the "obvious" possibilities (that is, eliminating from the row and column all the numbers that are already used) you should find that in that -x- spot you have only 3 and 9 as options. 
 BUT, in that fourth row, there's nowhere else the 3 can go!  There are already 3s in all the other columns.
 
 So that spot in the fourth row must be a 3.
 
 --Joshua Zucker
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		| treezie 
 
 
 Joined: 09 Aug 2005
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 Location: Colchester
 
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				|  Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:48 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Thanks for that Joshua. 
 Sorry to do this to you - I got it a bit wrong!  That '3' in the bottom right hand square was a mistake and should have been blank.  Sorry about that.
 
 Grid should read:
 
 -5- --- 3--
 -3- 9-- 57-
 --9 -5- 481
 
 412 5-6 -x-
 56- -7- 12-
 --- 2-- 654
 
 14- -35 2--
 -8- --2 --5
 --5 --- ---
 
 Given the correct grid, I agree that 'x' can be 3 or 9 but why is it a '3'????
 Any ideas??  Been stuck on it for days and it's driving me nuts!!
 
 Treez
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		| schwa 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 3:02 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Looking at that column 8, the topmost thing can only be 6 or 9.  Also in row 7, that spot can only be 6 or 9.  Therefore, among those two spots, the 6 and the 9 get used up: 6 and 9 must be the 1st and 7th things in column 8.  Therefore no other thing in column 8 can be 6 or 9.  Does that make sense? 
 --Joshua
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		| treezie 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 3:41 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Yes - I get it now!!!!  Tricky little number! 
 Thanks- sanity saved for now!
 Treez
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